WHERE TO SELL BEST, EAST OR WEST
The flagship of Finnish music export doesn’t get rich on an American tour anymore, so should they instead head for China where a band from Tuusula is doing their first international tour, financed with a government grant? HIM on stage in Boston, Snipe Drive in Beijing. After the gigs we talk about money.
HIM, Boston, April 2010
The sweaty Finnish musicians pack their backpacks in a crammed backstage room. 2500 fans have left the Boston House of Blues, and HIM face an all-night drive to Montreal.
The band from Helsinki had arrived in Boston from Pittsburgh only hours before their gig.
Despite the tight schedule, Ville Valo seems full of life. Even the reasons he gives for his decision to give up smoking are mostly related to music.
“The new songs have so many lyrics that I run out of breath singing them if I smoke.”
Touring the carpeted and overly air-conditioned America isn’t a party for the asthmatic vocalist. Valo says that the hotels they stay in are chosen based on the fact that the rooms must have windows that can be opened.
The majority of time and money, however, is spent on moving from one place to another.
“The distances and expenses here are totally insane”, Valo sighs.
***
You can’t escape the gloomy economic prospects in Boston: the street maintenance has been neglected like in a third world country.
In addition to the crumbling infrastructure, the hard times can be seen in the local rock business. Live Nation, the promoter of the HIM tour, has lately made huge losses even though the same company owns the majority of the tour venues as well as the majority of Ticketmaster, responsible for ticket sales. There’s more supply than demand.
“Way too many bands touring”, says Mika “Gas” Karppinen.
“Since people download the music and don’t buy the CDs, all the bands in the world go on tour to make money and a living”, Valo continues.
He remembers that on their last tour HIM played at a venue in Denver where in a few days time also Rammstein and Ministry had played gigs--both being bands that are targeted at the same audience.
“People don’t have the money to come see that many gigs which means that soon bands won’t have the money to tour. If the bands don’t tour, they’re not played on radio over here either. We’re coming to a point where everyone won’t be able to make a living doing this.”
“I guess our only chance is to go play gigs in China where apparently we have officially sold only one single copy of the new album”, keyboard player Janne “Burton” Puurtinen snorts.
Manager Seppo Vesterinen says that the new Screamworks: Love in Theory and Practice album, released in February, has so far sold a little over 50 000 copies in the US. The previous album Venus Doom sold about the same, while Dark Light, released in 2006, sold the 500 000 copies needed for a gold record.
***
“Nowadays record sales don’t correlate at all with ticket or merchandise sales,” Vesterinen says.
According to the manager, HIM will make at least one more album for the American Warner with which it has a recording contract.
***
The hardships of the record industry or the world economy haven’t however paralyzed the flagship of Finnish music export. The English tour in February and March was all but sold out, and the ticket pre-sales for the American tour have also been good. Although Valo admits that the concert venues haven’t gotten any bigger in America since the last tour.
HIM plays in venues with a capacity of 1500 to 3000 people.
“There’s the psychological aspect that we’d rather play in a bit smaller places that are sold out than in big halls that aren’t”, the singer explains.
According to Vesterinen, only bands that sell out arenas with a capacity of over 5000 make a significant profit.
“We can say with good reason that 90 per cent of the profits of this HIM tour go to cover the expenses and therefore the money stays in America.”
In addition to the costs of traveling and the rented equipment, the expenses are increased by the bureaucracy and the expensive lawyers and accountants that have to be hired to deal with it.
The band’s management has been honing their marketing strategies.
“We agreed with the booking agent beforehand that we would bring along more bands this time”, Valo says.
Live Nation believed that a package of four bands would sell more tickets and therefore also in Boston three rising American bands played before HIM. Their record companies have invested in promoting the joint tour.
***
After the gig, the members of the other bands pack their instruments in stuffed vans outside the House of Blues.
HIM and their crew, on the other hand, travel in two luxurious-looking buses. The band, which nowadays includes three fathers, doesn’t want to skimp on the expenses required for traveling comfortably.
“Instead of making a little more money but the touring being otherwise more inhumane, we decided to burn money to enjoy ourselves more,” Valo says.
[I didn’t translate the other part of the article talking about Snipe Drive’s tour in China.]
Instead of copy-pasting the whole article and posting it on your site, I’d appreciate it if you posted a link here. Thank you.

The flagship of Finnish music export doesn’t get rich on an American tour anymore, so should they instead head for China where a band from Tuusula is doing their first international tour, financed with a government grant? HIM on stage in Boston, Snipe Drive in Beijing. After the gigs we talk about money.
HIM, Boston, April 2010
The sweaty Finnish musicians pack their backpacks in a crammed backstage room. 2500 fans have left the Boston House of Blues, and HIM face an all-night drive to Montreal.
The band from Helsinki had arrived in Boston from Pittsburgh only hours before their gig.
Despite the tight schedule, Ville Valo seems full of life. Even the reasons he gives for his decision to give up smoking are mostly related to music.
“The new songs have so many lyrics that I run out of breath singing them if I smoke.”
Touring the carpeted and overly air-conditioned America isn’t a party for the asthmatic vocalist. Valo says that the hotels they stay in are chosen based on the fact that the rooms must have windows that can be opened.
The majority of time and money, however, is spent on moving from one place to another.
“The distances and expenses here are totally insane”, Valo sighs.
***
You can’t escape the gloomy economic prospects in Boston: the street maintenance has been neglected like in a third world country.
In addition to the crumbling infrastructure, the hard times can be seen in the local rock business. Live Nation, the promoter of the HIM tour, has lately made huge losses even though the same company owns the majority of the tour venues as well as the majority of Ticketmaster, responsible for ticket sales. There’s more supply than demand.
“Way too many bands touring”, says Mika “Gas” Karppinen.
“Since people download the music and don’t buy the CDs, all the bands in the world go on tour to make money and a living”, Valo continues.
He remembers that on their last tour HIM played at a venue in Denver where in a few days time also Rammstein and Ministry had played gigs--both being bands that are targeted at the same audience.
“People don’t have the money to come see that many gigs which means that soon bands won’t have the money to tour. If the bands don’t tour, they’re not played on radio over here either. We’re coming to a point where everyone won’t be able to make a living doing this.”
“I guess our only chance is to go play gigs in China where apparently we have officially sold only one single copy of the new album”, keyboard player Janne “Burton” Puurtinen snorts.
Manager Seppo Vesterinen says that the new Screamworks: Love in Theory and Practice album, released in February, has so far sold a little over 50 000 copies in the US. The previous album Venus Doom sold about the same, while Dark Light, released in 2006, sold the 500 000 copies needed for a gold record.
***
“Nowadays record sales don’t correlate at all with ticket or merchandise sales,” Vesterinen says.
According to the manager, HIM will make at least one more album for the American Warner with which it has a recording contract.
***
The hardships of the record industry or the world economy haven’t however paralyzed the flagship of Finnish music export. The English tour in February and March was all but sold out, and the ticket pre-sales for the American tour have also been good. Although Valo admits that the concert venues haven’t gotten any bigger in America since the last tour.
HIM plays in venues with a capacity of 1500 to 3000 people.
“There’s the psychological aspect that we’d rather play in a bit smaller places that are sold out than in big halls that aren’t”, the singer explains.
According to Vesterinen, only bands that sell out arenas with a capacity of over 5000 make a significant profit.
“We can say with good reason that 90 per cent of the profits of this HIM tour go to cover the expenses and therefore the money stays in America.”
In addition to the costs of traveling and the rented equipment, the expenses are increased by the bureaucracy and the expensive lawyers and accountants that have to be hired to deal with it.
The band’s management has been honing their marketing strategies.
“We agreed with the booking agent beforehand that we would bring along more bands this time”, Valo says.
Live Nation believed that a package of four bands would sell more tickets and therefore also in Boston three rising American bands played before HIM. Their record companies have invested in promoting the joint tour.
***
After the gig, the members of the other bands pack their instruments in stuffed vans outside the House of Blues.
HIM and their crew, on the other hand, travel in two luxurious-looking buses. The band, which nowadays includes three fathers, doesn’t want to skimp on the expenses required for traveling comfortably.
“Instead of making a little more money but the touring being otherwise more inhumane, we decided to burn money to enjoy ourselves more,” Valo says.
[I didn’t translate the other part of the article talking about Snipe Drive’s tour in China.]
Instead of copy-pasting the whole article and posting it on your site, I’d appreciate it if you posted a link here. Thank you.

Comments
Thanks for the translation my dear. Much appreciated.
And this is probably selfish of me, but I like that they play venues with capacity of 1500 and 3000, at least in this kind of venues there's a real connection with the band. I don't like bigger venues where you just see small silhouettes on stage if you're at the back ...
I guess this may sound silly, but what if all fans of HIM pledged to buy the album and each fan got 3 of their friends to buy the album, and those friends, if they like it, try to get others to buy it, and so on.....seems we could help their records sales alot! I'm a bit 'old school' in that I like to have the album in hand....even though I have songs DL'd on my phone thru Rhapsody (hope that is a legit one?!). I buy the album to have for my collection first and foremost, but also to support the band. I know times are tight, but if we each could save to buy just one new album? Sorry....I'm whining and these are just my thoughts. I cannot believe they have only sold 50,000 copies in the US! I'm appalled......although, it might HELP matters more if they sold them at the shows at the merch booth! WTF is up with that?!?
Personally I couldn't be happier that their contract with Warner's is almost up. (except if it was already over). It took me nearly two months after the release date to receive my Heartagram editionof Screamworks. I bought and paid for it on one of the first days it was offered for sale.It took around 6 calls. hearing a lot of of lies and when they finally sent it, I was informed that I'd get no poster, they were all gone. Though they did condescend to finally send the calendar I'd ordered even earlier. I know V is proud of the cover art, but it's more the princip[le than actually not having it.
This doesn't happen with non HIM purchases. I'd ordered a necklace from the LOTR collection through Warner's as a gift and it came promotly.
Sorry to rant here. I just wonder about a lot of things.
Thanks again for giving us the translation!
It really annoys me how people illegally download their cds.
Thank you so much for translating! <333
Donna M.
I have to agree on a couple of things mentioned.
I live in Boston and yes, we are quickly becoming a dump. But this isn't the place to discuss Bostons notorious redtape and corrupt practices.
I also agree with much of the sentiment that it is geting harder and harder for a touring band to recoup any costs. Let alone come out ahead of the game.
America is a land of collectors, so selling an absurd amount of "collectable"swag is the only way to make money from us. As long as record companies continue to use an antiquated system of promoting music, bands will never make money.
Least not anyone who isn't of Madonna or U2 status.
I don not agree however with Live Nations notion that adding 3 extra baby bands to a tour brings in more money.
So many people don't even bother to walk through the door until it's time for the main band to come on. I witnessed it countless times.
I know it just irritates the crap out of me to have to endure bands I could care less about, and having to stand around for 4 hours until I see the band I really paid for. And in the case of a Live Nation produced tour/venue that usually means I paid a crap load of money for a ticket.
Fix that greedy problem and maybe people will have more money to spend actally buying the music to bring home.
It's interesting to know this sort of things too... And kind of sad seeing in which situation they are. I hope they sell more, more more :D
I want them to last another 20 years, but as Valo said, we want them to be big rock stars and they can't afford it anymore.
I get it all, but I wish he stopped whining about the money and from time to time say how thankful he is he sold the concert out and how the gig was great and fans sang along...
Thanks again :)
thank you so much sweety :)
as a holder of a marketing degree, i have to disagree with their agent. i feel that people like to see more of the band they paid to see, not opening bands they need to "sit through" to get to the main act. if they want more opening bands, they need to pick ones that are as famous as they are to attract more people.
Thanks:)
Ahh I'm a bit selfish so I'll say I'm really glad they have one more album ahead....'coz I'm a pessimist as well...and I was thinking that if Screamworks doesn't do well they may not do any more albums (atl for some time).
But all in all I'm very very sad and disappointed and dunno what else to say, that they don't do well. And I don't get ppl who say, ohh stop it already with whining Ville....I mean this is a bad time for him. He's worked his ass off for this album and it wasn't appreciated, isn't it normal to feel like that? Pretending to smile and be all joy is a thing many celebrities would do but I think he is a lot more 'authentic' than that.
Anyway, I really hope the best for them. Never give up hope. They should have (and I hope they do^^) some really competent ppl in their management to tell them what to do and how to go about with this :)
Thanks again and sorry for the rant :/
2nd, someone said Mige was a father, Ive never seen any proof & never thought so anyway,... and since this article says 3 fathers, it makes me wonder even more...
& this article bummed me out.. If HIM stops after one more album, I will be SO sad...
I think I've seen an interview from years ago where Mige says he has kids, so I was a little confused as well, but who the hell knows. I don't think I'll be losing any sleep over that. ;)