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WHERE TO SELL BEST, EAST OR WEST

The flagship of Finnish music export doesn’t get rich on an American tour anymore, so should they instead head for China where a band from Tuusula is doing their first international tour, financed with a government grant? HIM on stage in Boston, Snipe Drive in Beijing. After the gigs we talk about money.

HIM, Boston, April 2010


The sweaty Finnish musicians pack their backpacks in a crammed backstage room. 2500 fans have left the Boston House of Blues, and HIM face an all-night drive to Montreal.

The band from Helsinki had arrived in Boston from Pittsburgh only hours before their gig.

Despite the tight schedule, Ville Valo seems full of life. Even the reasons he gives for his decision to give up smoking are mostly related to music.

“The new songs have so many lyrics that I run out of breath singing them if I smoke.”

Touring the carpeted and overly air-conditioned America isn’t a party for the asthmatic vocalist. Valo says that the hotels they stay in are chosen based on the fact that the rooms must have windows that can be opened.

The majority of time and money, however, is spent on moving from one place to another.

“The distances and expenses here are totally insane”, Valo sighs.

***
You can’t escape the gloomy economic prospects in Boston: the street maintenance has been neglected like in a third world country.

In addition to the crumbling infrastructure, the hard times can be seen in the local rock business. Live Nation, the promoter of the HIM tour, has lately made huge losses even though the same company owns the majority of the tour venues as well as the majority of Ticketmaster, responsible for ticket sales. There’s more supply than demand.

“Way too many bands touring”, says Mika “Gas” Karppinen.

“Since people download the music and don’t buy the CDs, all the bands in the world go on tour to make money and a living”, Valo continues.

He remembers that on their last tour HIM played at a venue in Denver where in a few days time also Rammstein and Ministry had played gigs--both being bands that are targeted at the same audience.

“People don’t have the money to come see that many gigs which means that soon bands won’t have the money to tour. If the bands don’t tour, they’re not played on radio over here either. We’re coming to a point where everyone won’t be able to make a living doing this.”

“I guess our only chance is to go play gigs in China where apparently we have officially sold only one single copy of the new album”, keyboard player Janne “Burton” Puurtinen snorts.

Manager Seppo Vesterinen says that the new Screamworks: Love in Theory and Practice album, released in February, has so far sold a little over 50 000 copies in the US. The previous album Venus Doom sold about the same, while Dark Light, released in 2006, sold the 500 000 copies needed for a gold record.

***
“Nowadays record sales don’t correlate at all with ticket or merchandise sales,” Vesterinen says.

According to the manager, HIM will make at least one more album for the American Warner with which it has a recording contract.

***
The hardships of the record industry or the world economy haven’t however paralyzed the flagship of Finnish music export. The English tour in February and March was all but sold out, and the ticket pre-sales for the American tour have also been good. Although Valo admits that the concert venues haven’t gotten any bigger in America since the last tour.

HIM plays in venues with a capacity of 1500 to 3000 people.

“There’s the psychological aspect that we’d rather play in a bit smaller places that are sold out than in big halls that aren’t”, the singer explains.

According to Vesterinen, only bands that sell out arenas with a capacity of over 5000 make a significant profit.

“We can say with good reason that 90 per cent of the profits of this HIM tour go to cover the expenses and therefore the money stays in America.”

In addition to the costs of traveling and the rented equipment, the expenses are increased by the bureaucracy and the expensive lawyers and accountants that have to be hired to deal with it.

The band’s management has been honing their marketing strategies.

“We agreed with the booking agent beforehand that we would bring along more bands this time”, Valo says.

Live Nation believed that a package of four bands would sell more tickets and therefore also in Boston three rising American bands played before HIM. Their record companies have invested in promoting the joint tour.

***
After the gig, the members of the other bands pack their instruments in stuffed vans outside the House of Blues.

HIM and their crew, on the other hand, travel in two luxurious-looking buses. The band, which nowadays includes three fathers, doesn’t want to skimp on the expenses required for traveling comfortably.

“Instead of making a little more money but the touring being otherwise more inhumane, we decided to burn money to enjoy ourselves more,” Valo says.

[I didn’t translate the other part of the article talking about Snipe Drive’s tour in China.]

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[info]helville wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 07:34 pm (UTC)
Very, very interesting! Thanks for doing this! At least we get another album!
[info]windswept07 wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 07:58 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. Interesting topics discussed, particularly the logistics of touring. On an unrelated note, being from the area, I have to say that the comment comparing Boston to a third world country is a bit harsh, no? Hell it's not the cleanest city but let's not exaggerate here. :)
Thanks for the translation my dear. Much appreciated.
[info]myrskya wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 08:20 pm (UTC)
And being from what is called a 3rd world country myself, I found that offensive. We're not swimming in garbage here.
[info]windswept07 wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 08:43 pm (UTC)
Oh, damn it. I do hope I did not offend you with my comment about Boston, as that certainly was not my intent (although I do see how it can be taken the wrong way and that is of course my fault for not wording myself better). And if I did, I sincerely apologize. When I read the initial comment in the article, my first thought was well that was certainly uncalled for - insulting to Boston and third world countries. For the latter it was a jab on two accounts - 1) suggesting that the street maintenance is not up to par and 2) making a generalized statement about all third world countries. I myself have been to a number of so-called third world countries that are a hell of a lot cleaner and nicer looking than areas that supposedly have more money. Anyway, I digress. My point is that I am sorry if I offended you with my comment and with be more careful with my words in the future.
[info]myrskya wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, don't worry about it, you didn't offend me at all. :)
[info]sineresi wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 03:54 pm (UTC)
I cringed when I read that bit and thought about leaving it out, but then again I didn't think it's my job to start editing the original article. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings though.
[info]myrskya wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 08:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the translation, it's interesting (and quite scary) to know that sort of thing.
[info]astoria_froggy wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 08:46 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the translation. Very interesting. I am happy to hear that we'll get another album :)
And this is probably selfish of me, but I like that they play venues with capacity of 1500 and 3000, at least in this kind of venues there's a real connection with the band. I don't like bigger venues where you just see small silhouettes on stage if you're at the back ...
[info]deathpunkscum wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
Is this article from this weekend's issue? What's on the cover? I don't get Helsingin Sanomat to my house, I'd have to wait for the answer 'till monday when I get back to school :D
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
I think that writer could have wrote this article without traveling to Boston, except the information about dirty streets, because I think he knows the band members. There wasn't any new information at all for me, and the thing, that there would be new album, was from Seppo's mouth. I think his interests about touring with HIM is something else but money. Not money wise, and especially not life wise touring. Please, quit soon!!!
[info]sineresi wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 08:34 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's from the Nyt-liite that came with yesterday's Helsingin Sanomat. It has Alexei Eremenko on the cover.
[info]sineresi wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
I added the scans to my post on Valo Daily if you want to read them.
[info]cassandra_777 wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 10:56 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the translation!! Very interesting article!
I guess this may sound silly, but what if all fans of HIM pledged to buy the album and each fan got 3 of their friends to buy the album, and those friends, if they like it, try to get others to buy it, and so on.....seems we could help their records sales alot! I'm a bit 'old school' in that I like to have the album in hand....even though I have songs DL'd on my phone thru Rhapsody (hope that is a legit one?!). I buy the album to have for my collection first and foremost, but also to support the band. I know times are tight, but if we each could save to buy just one new album? Sorry....I'm whining and these are just my thoughts. I cannot believe they have only sold 50,000 copies in the US! I'm appalled......although, it might HELP matters more if they sold them at the shows at the merch booth! WTF is up with that?!?
[info]annoyedannushka wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 12:20 am (UTC)
I thought it was weird they didn't sell the cd at the merchandise booth, too. During the Dark Light tour they did and there was even a tip jar.
[info]ashleigh_713 wrote:
Apr. 23rd, 2010 11:08 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this translation, it was interesting and I agree, pretty scary. Since my sister has decided to actively rejoin the HIM world, I've been talking about this sort of thing with her and she was actually surprised.

Personally I couldn't be happier that their contract with Warner's is almost up. (except if it was already over). It took me nearly two months after the release date to receive my Heartagram editionof Screamworks. I bought and paid for it on one of the first days it was offered for sale.It took around 6 calls. hearing a lot of of lies and when they finally sent it, I was informed that I'd get no poster, they were all gone. Though they did condescend to finally send the calendar I'd ordered even earlier. I know V is proud of the cover art, but it's more the princip[le than actually not having it.

This doesn't happen with non HIM purchases. I'd ordered a necklace from the LOTR collection through Warner's as a gift and it came promotly.

Sorry to rant here. I just wonder about a lot of things.

Thanks again for giving us the translation!
[info]sineresi wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 04:01 pm (UTC)
That's shitty that you didn't get your Saint Scream. I actually like mine a lot more than I thought I would. :(
[info]ashleigh_713 wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
I'm disappointed too, just trying to be okay, since there's no choice. I really wish, someday, there'd be a lithograph of the one V originally made before he handed it to the artist. If it were offered for sale, I'd love to have it to go with V's Poe It's kind of lonely since it got moved away from a sort of seance set up.
[info]annoyedannushka wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 12:18 am (UTC)
Thanks!
It really annoys me how people illegally download their cds.
[info]painforever wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 02:07 am (UTC)
It made me laugh out loud when he said that he quit smoking, partially due to the fact that the new cd has more words in it.... but it also made me sad that their revenue is not that high and that people are illegally downloading the cd... At least they are enjoying the tour here in the US...

Thank you so much for translating! <333
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 03:14 am (UTC)
Third World Country
As an American, you are correct .... the United States has become a third world country. I live in Arizona .... and the infrastructure is definitely crumbling. You were correct and I am not offended, it's just the truth.


Donna M.
[info]widowswail wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 07:16 am (UTC)
Re: Third World Country
Thank you for translating the article.
I have to agree on a couple of things mentioned.
I live in Boston and yes, we are quickly becoming a dump. But this isn't the place to discuss Bostons notorious redtape and corrupt practices.
I also agree with much of the sentiment that it is geting harder and harder for a touring band to recoup any costs. Let alone come out ahead of the game.
America is a land of collectors, so selling an absurd amount of "collectable"swag is the only way to make money from us. As long as record companies continue to use an antiquated system of promoting music, bands will never make money.
Least not anyone who isn't of Madonna or U2 status.
I don not agree however with Live Nations notion that adding 3 extra baby bands to a tour brings in more money.
So many people don't even bother to walk through the door until it's time for the main band to come on. I witnessed it countless times.
I know it just irritates the crap out of me to have to endure bands I could care less about, and having to stand around for 4 hours until I see the band I really paid for. And in the case of a Live Nation produced tour/venue that usually means I paid a crap load of money for a ticket.
Fix that greedy problem and maybe people will have more money to spend actally buying the music to bring home.
[info]aidahim wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 07:14 am (UTC)
Thanks so much for translating :)
It's interesting to know this sort of things too... And kind of sad seeing in which situation they are. I hope they sell more, more more :D
I want them to last another 20 years, but as Valo said, we want them to be big rock stars and they can't afford it anymore.
I get it all, but I wish he stopped whining about the money and from time to time say how thankful he is he sold the concert out and how the gig was great and fans sang along...
Thanks again :)
[info]vincents_heart wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 08:02 am (UTC)
This kind of made me sad-- Thanks so much for translating lovely! xxx
[info]redvalentine666 wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 08:36 am (UTC)
very interesting!
thank you so much sweety :)
[info]mummon_tohveli wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 09:17 am (UTC)
The only paper I pick up daily is Metro, so I'd have missed out on this very interesting article, if you hadn't been kind enough to share. Thanks!
[info]sineresi wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 03:46 pm (UTC)
No problem. I added the scans to my post on Valo Daily if you want to take a look.
[info]mikkosgrl wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 05:18 pm (UTC)
thank you!
as a holder of a marketing degree, i have to disagree with their agent. i feel that people like to see more of the band they paid to see, not opening bands they need to "sit through" to get to the main act. if they want more opening bands, they need to pick ones that are as famous as they are to attract more people.
[info]charlotte_q wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 06:31 pm (UTC)
ouch!I've been pretty ignorant about certain aspects of this job...
Thanks:)
[info]jen_sweetheart wrote:
Apr. 24th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
Ahh it was nice seeing a translation from you again. Thank you <3
Ahh I'm a bit selfish so I'll say I'm really glad they have one more album ahead....'coz I'm a pessimist as well...and I was thinking that if Screamworks doesn't do well they may not do any more albums (atl for some time).
But all in all I'm very very sad and disappointed and dunno what else to say, that they don't do well. And I don't get ppl who say, ohh stop it already with whining Ville....I mean this is a bad time for him. He's worked his ass off for this album and it wasn't appreciated, isn't it normal to feel like that? Pretending to smile and be all joy is a thing many celebrities would do but I think he is a lot more 'authentic' than that.
Anyway, I really hope the best for them. Never give up hope. They should have (and I hope they do^^) some really competent ppl in their management to tell them what to do and how to go about with this :)
Thanks again and sorry for the rant :/
[info]farrahmoan616 wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2010 12:45 am (UTC)
i just had to comment- first of all, Kiitos 4 translations, Sineresi, always great.
2nd, someone said Mige was a father, Ive never seen any proof & never thought so anyway,... and since this article says 3 fathers, it makes me wonder even more...
& this article bummed me out.. If HIM stops after one more album, I will be SO sad...
[info]sineresi wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2010 08:21 am (UTC)
I don't think the point was that HIM would make at least one more album but that they would make at least one more album with Warner.

I think I've seen an interview from years ago where Mige says he has kids, so I was a little confused as well, but who the hell knows. I don't think I'll be losing any sleep over that. ;)
[info]elegy_69 wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2010 03:41 am (UTC)
thank you.
[info]v_d_galleries wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2010 04:53 pm (UTC)
Thank you
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